Nationals - 2013

Discuss specific race events, who is going, timing, etc

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Postby Steve91T » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:50 am

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Postby suck fumes » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:45 am

It wouldn't have mattered if wheel weights were on my wheels or not. When I bought them I took one straight out of the box and took it to a UPS store and weighed it with the permanent spacer attached and it was 18.0pds on the nose. With the balance weights, valve stem, and all the crud built up in it it would have been 18.4-18.5 but the Longacre scales round off to the nearest pound so they were still 18 pds on the tech scales.
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Postby Glenn » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:50 am

suck fumes wrote:It wouldn't have mattered if wheel weights were on my wheels or not. When I bought them I took one straight out of the box and took it to a UPS store and weighed it with the permanent spacer attached and it was 18.0pds on the nose. With the balance weights, valve stem, and all the crud built up in it it would have been 18.4-18.5 but the Longacre scales round off to the nearest pound so they were still 18 pds on the tech scales.


Careful there. The wheel weight is the weight of the wheel itself, not all the other stuff. The spacer is fine as long as it doesn't come off. The valve stems, balance weights and crud do not count towards legality.
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Postby suck fumes » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:06 am

Like I said the bare wheel with permanent spacer is 18pds. And according to Todd it is weighed "as raced" for tech so the weights would be included then.
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Postby koserv » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:12 am

Thus my point.....

A couple ounces one way or another wasn't going to make up the two seconds we were behind. And Aaron, I'm not picking on you...beautiful car prepped to your best effort to the max of the rules, and a great drive. But I was told point blank the weight was as raced, and then asked to be shown in the rules where it said that was the case. Needless to say I was never shown because its not there. So, here I am, the guy who backed onto the podium by way of the one thing we actually DO enforce, being expected to protest the guy who's been spanking me all weekend, when the guy who's supposed to enforce the rules can't show me the rule that backs his ruling. Spectacular.

Pull good numbers, make weight, and if you miss it a little bit on the other stuff, meh, no big deal.
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Postby suck fumes » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:18 am

Either way, my car was legal whether it was weighed "as raced " or not, those wheels will make the 18pd minimum even without the balancing weights.
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Postby BADVENM » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:29 am

Not sure but the Longacre scale the wheel was weighed on only rounds to nearest pound. A more accurate reading to the nearest tenth may have provided a more accurate number. The Longacre scale was the one the cars get weighed on. Something to think a out for silly season 2014.

If the wheel with nothing else attached weighed 17.9 pounds it wouldnt meet the 18 pound rule for a 17 inch wheel.
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Postby koserv » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:30 am

Guess ill make one more point as long as I'm making friends and influencing people. Last year they teched lower control arms without knowing the actual control arm length. This year they did wheel weights without knowing, or at least not being able to support, the rule (if its as raced, don't you need to weigh all 4??). For next year, if your going to tech something (we already know if its not in the check list, its ok), can you at least read the rule and supporting documents so you know what you're checking?

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Postby koserv » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:41 am

And again, Aaron, not calling you out, just our system of verifying compliance. The wheel weight issue just happens to illustrate perfectly some of the shortcomings of our system. I do not want SM protest everything take your car home in a box. But for the few things we do check, and for any blatant "hey, what/where is that", the officials should know the rule, know how to check it, be able to back it up with documentation, and enforce it.
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Postby Glenn » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:49 am

suck fumes wrote:Like I said the bare wheel with permanent spacer is 18pds. And according to Todd it is weighed "as raced" for tech so the weights would be included then.


Todd has been wrong a few times. Wheel weights do not count.
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Postby Glenn » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:52 am

Good stuff guys. We will make sure the rules are more clear (in this area) going forward.
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Postby suck fumes » Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:45 am

BADVENM wrote:Not sure but the Longacre scale the wheel was weighed on only rounds to nearest pound. A more accurate reading to the nearest tenth may have provided a more accurate number. The Longacre scale was the one the cars get weighed on. Something to think a out for silly season 2014.

If the wheel with nothing else attached weighed 17.9 pounds it wouldnt meet the 18 pound rule for a 17 inch wheel.



But it didn't weigh 17.9 pds. It would have been 18.4. It was 18 bare on a UPS certified scale!
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Postby koserv » Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:16 pm

Doesn't matter if the scales were certified by the Pope. Track scales/dyno/rulers/toe plates/etc are official.
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Postby suck fumes » Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:53 pm

Ok well then I'm still legal cause they said 18pds. It's over now and I won fair and square. Really nothing else to Argue about.
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