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2014 rules posted

Postby Al Fernandez » Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:43 pm

The 2014 rules have been published on the nasaponycars web site. I will post my perspective on the decisions made very soon.
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Postby BADVENM » Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:32 pm

Please clarify how "appearance" ie non performance enhancing items should/will be handled/enforced/not enforced at regional events and national championship events. I see that rule 3.5 didn't change from last year which is a contradiction to how things have been done at
national championship events.

Will the ruling (which in the past has been non enforcement) be the same at both west and east coast championship events or up to the CMC director in charge at each event if different?

For this example lets use the glove box door/cover.

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Cheating and non-compliance will not be welcome and will receive harsh penalties. Non-compliance, defined as unintentional violation of CMC or NASA technical specifications will result in a disqualification. Cheating, defined as intentional violation of CMC or NASA technical specifications will result in multiple race disqualifications. The CMC Officials may decrease or increase penalties up to permanent ejection from the series for non-compliance or cheating based on the severity and recurrence of offenses.
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Postby y5e06 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:37 pm

fyi, the national site has not been updated. 2013 v2 http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/Cama ... llenge.pdf

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Postby Pranav » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:49 pm

Removed: 7.33.5 Late GM and Late Ford cars may use a threaded collar and adjustable spring seat assembly such as
one available from Ground Control, Global West and Suspension Specialists for the front suspension. The
rear springs shall conform to 7.33.4 above.



7.33.5 Any spring spacers/shims may be used. The spacers may allow adjustment of the installed
height of the spring without spring removal. The spring spacers/shims must install with the spring in the
OEM stock location and no cutting, welding or other mod

Does that mean I have to take the threaded body coilover sleeves off my car or am I reading this wrong and basically this just allows the early cars to be adjustable?

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Postby JJKJ » Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:00 pm

Pranav wrote:Removed: 7.33.5 Late GM and Late Ford cars may use a threaded collar and adjustable spring seat assembly such as
one available from Ground Control, Global West and Suspension Specialists for the front suspension. The
rear springs shall conform to 7.33.4 above.



7.33.5 Any spring spacers/shims may be used. The spacers may allow adjustment of the installed
height of the spring without spring removal. The spring spacers/shims must install with the spring in the
OEM stock location and no cutting, welding or other mod

Does that mean I have to take the threaded body coilover sleeves off my car or am I reading this wrong and basically this just allows the early cars to be adjustable?


I think the latter. In addition, it looks as though rear adjusters (like the Ground Control pieces) are now legal as well. There is no longer a restriction to the front only that I read.

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Postby Supercharged111 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:05 pm

Pranav wrote:Removed: 7.33.5 Late GM and Late Ford cars may use a threaded collar and adjustable spring seat assembly such as
one available from Ground Control, Global West and Suspension Specialists for the front suspension. The
rear springs shall conform to 7.33.4 above.



7.33.5 Any spring spacers/shims may be used. The spacers may allow adjustment of the installed
height of the spring without spring removal. The spring spacers/shims must install with the spring in the
OEM stock location and no cutting, welding or other mod

Does that mean I have to take the threaded body coilover sleeves off my car or am I reading this wrong and basically this just allows the early cars to be adjustable?


My concern as well since the rules don't expressly state that the fronts allow coilovers. I believe that was the intent though, so we shall see.
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Postby cozog » Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:06 am

Pranav wrote:Removed: 7.33.5 Late GM and Late Ford cars may use a threaded collar and adjustable spring seat assembly such as
one available from Ground Control, Global West and Suspension Specialists for the front suspension. The
rear springs shall conform to 7.33.4 above.



7.33.5 Any spring spacers/shims may be used. The spacers may allow adjustment of the installed
height of the spring without spring removal. The spring spacers/shims must install with the spring in the
OEM stock location and no cutting, welding or other mod

Does that mean I have to take the threaded body coilover sleeves off my car or am I reading this wrong and basically this just allows the early cars to be adjustable?


No, it does not. That was not the intent of the rule change. Directors are aware of the wording and will clarify this. Stand by.
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Postby Pranav » Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:23 am

Cool, let us know if the wording changes.

Also curious if corner-balancing will be allowed or if the "both sides equal" rule is still in effect.

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Postby wastntim » Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:45 am

I applaud the changes made by the Directors as the rules continue to evolve in a way to make things easier and less expensive for us, i.e. adjustable spring perches, reinforcement for the fords, the 5.3 for the fourth gens, etc.
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Postby DAlgozine » Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:56 am

wastntim wrote:I applaud the changes made by the Directors.


Plus 1
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Postby y5e06 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:08 am

JJKJ wrote:, it looks as though rear adjusters (like the Ground Control pieces) are now legal as well. There is no longer a restriction to the front only that I read.


which GC adjusters do you speak of? I've looked around there other dirt-track stores for something useful. however w/o being able to modify the car nor the axle spring perches I have yet to see something that would work. Or perhaps this is for something other than a 4th gen?

maybe some kind of adjustable spring perch with a non-pigtail spring on the GMs?

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Postby MHISSTC » Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:33 am

DAlgozine wrote:
wastntim wrote:I applaud the changes made by the Directors.


Plus 1


Indeed. You all took an unbelievable amount of back and forth chatter on the forums and distilled it into a handful of relatively small and much needed wording changes for 2014. While I still have my own opinions on a couple of them, I understand them and I can live with them. Success. Lets move forward and get ready for 2014.

Somebody should probably contact an Enkei wheel representative and let them know they are going to get a flood of orders for 17x9.5 RPF1s and work on getting some kind of discounted group buy together and post it back here on this forum so everyone can take advantage of it.

Same thing goes for 275 wide 17" RRs whenever they become available.

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Postby Al Fernandez » Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:37 am

Yes, threaded coilover sleeves are still allowed on the front of 4th gens since that is where the OE spring resided in the first place.
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Postby Supercharged111 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:17 am

Can the collars front and rear be set where we please now for cornerweighting? Last I checked, I was within 40# so I probably won't screw with it but it's nice to know you can.
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Postby Supercharged111 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:35 am

One more little snippet I thought I'd point out. I can't access the rules from this computer, but I seem to recall them calling out 99-04 truck engines and then laying out some RPO codes of the allowed engines. The L33 is one of those engines, but was only produced in 05-06. If it's going to be allowed, the rules need tweaking. Maybe just spec out RPOs and leave the years out of it? Or change the years to 99-06. 07+ is when active fuel management debuted in the trucks IIRC. I also believe that's when they got the LS6 based ports instead of the LS1 based ports and a commensurate bump in output.
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