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Wheel List - Add yours

Postby DAlgozine » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:20 am

Attempting to assemble a complete list of current wheels in CMC. Don't be shy, join the excitement and add yours.

I will start. Heres my wheels. If you want to add yours, cut, paste and change the info. If racers participate and we get a list, I will put all the data into a spread sheet.



Manufacture...........GM
Model....................Z06 - C5
Size.......................9.5" x 17"
Weight...................18.5 to 19lbs
# of wheels.............12
Cost....................... $125 to $150 EA
New / Used...............Used
Date purchased.........2009 thru 2010
CMC race car............2000 Camaro

Manufacture...........GM
Model....................Camaro SS 5 spoke
Size.......................9" x 17"
Weight...................19.5 - 20 lbs (approx.)
# of wheels............4
Cost.......................$ 110 EA
New / Used.............Used
Date purchased.......2013
CMC race car...........2000 Camaro

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Postby suck fumes » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:43 am

Like Michael Mosty said, all the GM guys will have the advantage if you go with OEM only as the older Z06 wheels are 18ish pounds. The closest ford wheel is the FR500 and it's 21.3 pds. And that's not even OEM! The next closest "factory" wheel is the R58 Cobra R wheel which is 23 pds. That's assuming you find a set of Real ford racing ones and not the knockoffs which are 26-27pds.
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Postby Boudy » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:49 am

We're discussing a list that includes all OEM and most likely almost all of the aftermarket 18 lb wheels that are currently being run. Not discussing limiting things down to OEM only because as you stated, OEM is awful in some cases.

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Postby TX#11CMC » Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:23 am

Go to Discount Tire and type in 17x9x114.3 (as well as 9.5") and add all of those to the list of approved wheels. I'm pretty certain every single one is over 18 lbs. That is 45 different wheels, depending on color / chrome on certain occasions. This is just Ford from 1 supplier, do we really want to make a list this huge?

On the flip side, do we really want someone to jump through hoops to verify if a certain wheel is approved to be on the list prior to purchasing?
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Postby suck fumes » Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:44 am

You guys are making this a bigger pain in the butt when the rules haven't even been released yet. I doubt any banter on here is going to sway the directors one way or the other. RCR's will be the only official requests.
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Postby DAlgozine » Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:00 pm

Participate or don't ......its up to you. Don't like the idea, then move on... :D Nobody likes the idea......then I guess this goes nowhere.

All I suggested is to compile a list of current CMC wheels that are in use...........NOW, including....OEM, Aftermarket, homemade, ect....

Not looking for every single legal wheel ever made, just what is being used ......NOW

I'm not even suggesting that an official/approved wheel list be mandated into the rules. Actually, I'm not suggesting anything.......
Just collecting information, so the directors have some additional data to work from.
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Postby Glenn » Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:27 pm

So guys who race in CMC but don't come here will not get there wheels on the list?
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Postby MHISSTC » Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:08 pm

Glenn wrote:So guys who race in CMC but don't come here will not get there wheels on the list?


There's nothing new about that, but it's not necessarily true.

It's the same thing as those who chose not to come here and participate missed out on the interpretation that wheel spacers permanently attached to the wheels count towards the total wheel weight and is the perfect reason the rules should stand on their own.

There is no mandate in CMC that a racer need to participate or ever log into the CMC forum. Therefore, it becomes the responsibility of the Regional Directors to communicate issues back and forth between the forum and the racers. And if the Regional Director doesn't frequent the CMC forums? Well, that's another issue entirely.
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Postby 85306Fox » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:24 pm

I would really like to see the list of the wheels the Ford guys are using including the weights.

Like I stated in another thread I have yet to purchase wheels and have experienced difficulty finding the weights of wheels online.

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Postby BADVENM » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:45 pm

85306Fox wrote:I would really like to see the list of the wheels the Ford guys are using including the weights.

Like I stated in another thread I have yet to purchase wheels and have experienced difficulty finding the weights of wheels online.


I am running 17x9.5 MB Battles, think they came out this year. I believe I weighed them at 23.1 pounds a piece out of the box (no valve stems, wheel weights, etc). Purchased them through Discount Tire Direct for $159 each.
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Postby Boudy » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:51 pm

This thread is yet another fine example of why nothing gets done around here.

DAlgozine wrote:Attempting to assemble a complete list of current wheels in CMC. Don't be shy, join the excitement and add yours.


This guy makes a request to find out what everyone is running. The end game is to see if a list of approved wheels is viable.

suck fumes wrote:all the GM guys will have the advantage if you go with OEM only as the older Z06 wheels are 18ish pounds. The closest ford wheel is the FR500 and it's 21.3 lbs


Aaron doesn't even bother to read the, "compete list of current wheels in CMC" part and goes on a rant based on an assumption completely contradictory to the simple opening statement.

Boudy wrote:We're discussing a list that includes all OEM and most likely almost all of the aftermarket 18 lb wheels that are currently being run


This moron makes a pitiful attempt to refocus the discussion.

TX#11CMC wrote:Go to Discount Tire and type in 17x9x114.3... That is 45 different wheels... do we really want to make a list this huge?


Now Micheal doesn't read the original post either and assumes someone is trying to make an approved list of everything Discount Tire sells.

suck fumes wrote:You guys are making this a bigger pain in the butt when the rules haven't even been released yet. I doubt any banter on here is going to sway the directors one way or the other


So Aaron comes back in to inform all that a simple list of approved wheels is too complicated and that everyone is wasting time anyway.

DAlgozine wrote:Participate or don't ......its up to you. All I suggested is to compile a list of current CMC wheels that are in use... Not looking for every single legal wheel ever made, just what is being used... NOW


Another pointless effort to keep on topic.

Glenn wrote:So guys who race in CMC but don't come here will not get there wheels on the list?


And then some "out of left field" statement that doesn't even apply and took probably 8 assumptions to conclude.

This is exactly why nothing productive can be accomplished here. Which actually validates Aaron's last statement... Good call!

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Postby MHISSTC » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:56 pm

85306Fox wrote:I have yet to purchase wheels and have experienced difficulty finding the weights of wheels online.


That is a problem since there doesn't seem to be any standard or any consistency between manufacturers or web sites. Some places use the actual weight, some the shipping weight...which includes the box and any other packing materials, some use an "example" wheel of that style that may or may not be the same diameter, width or offset as the wheel you're actually considering. And some give you nothing at all.

For Mustang wheels, there are several well compiled lists floating around on the Internet that are mostly accurate and are a pretty good reference for OEM wheel weights. But most of those are getting a little long in the tooth and don't have most of the new aftermarket or OEM wheels produced in the last 5 years or so on them.

I was looking at a set of Konig Torch 17x9.5" +15mm offset wheels this year since I found I could get them pretty cheap on discounttiredirect.com (and somewhat cheaper if you are 'sponsored' by Konig). I couldn't find the weights published anywhere and the folks I contacted couldn't find any numbers either. What I ended up doing was emailing Konig U.S. customer service in NY. The rep called their warehouse in California and actually had a guy pull a 17x9.5 +15mm offset wheel out of inventory and weigh it for me. It was 22.1 lbs. Based on their excellent customer service, I was ready to buy a couple sets. The very next week at Nationals I got to see a set of that exact size Konig Torch on an Evo (different bolt pattern). Nice wheels, but the spokes sort of crowned outward beyond the tire. I'm not sure I liked that, so I'm still looking.
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Postby suck fumes » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:00 pm

Boudy wrote:This thread is yet another fine example of why nothing gets done around here.

DAlgozine wrote:Attempting to assemble a complete list of current wheels in CMC. Don't be shy, join the excitement and add yours.


This guy makes a request to find out what everyone is running. The end game is to see if a list of approved wheels is viable.

suck fumes wrote:all the GM guys will have the advantage if you go with OEM only as the older Z06 wheels are 18ish pounds. The closest ford wheel is the FR500 and it's 21.3 lbs


Aaron doesn't even bother to read the, "compete list of current wheels in CMC" part and goes on a rant based on an assumption completely contradictory to the simple opening statement.

Boudy wrote:We're discussing a list that includes all OEM and most likely almost all of the aftermarket 18 lb wheels that are currently being run


This moron makes a pitiful attempt to refocus the discussion.

TX#11CMC wrote:Go to Discount Tire and type in 17x9x114.3... That is 45 different wheels... do we really want to make a list this huge?


Now Micheal doesn't read the original post either and assumes someone is trying to make an approved list of everything Discount Tire sells.

suck fumes wrote:You guys are making this a bigger pain in the butt when the rules haven't even been released yet. I doubt any banter on here is going to sway the directors one way or the other


So Aaron comes back in to inform all that a simple list of approved wheels is too complicated and that everyone is wasting time anyway.

DAlgozine wrote:Participate or don't ......its up to you. All I suggested is to compile a list of current CMC wheels that are in use... Not looking for every single legal wheel ever made, just what is being used... NOW


Another pointless effort to keep on topic.

Glenn wrote:So guys who race in CMC but don't come here will not get there wheels on the list?


And then some "out of left field" statement that doesn't even apply and took probably 8 assumptions to conclude.

This is exactly why nothing productive can be accomplished here. Which actually validates Aaron's last statement... Good call!

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Postby DAlgozine » Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:19 am

Boudy wrote:This thread is yet another fine example of why nothing gets done around here.

DAlgozine wrote:Attempting to assemble a complete list of current wheels in CMC. Don't be shy, join the excitement and add yours.


This guy makes a request to find out what everyone is running. The end game is to see if a list of approved wheels is viable.

suck fumes wrote:all the GM guys will have the advantage if you go with OEM only as the older Z06 wheels are 18ish pounds. The closest ford wheel is the FR500 and it's 21.3 lbs


Aaron doesn't even bother to read the, "compete list of current wheels in CMC" part and goes on a rant based on an assumption completely contradictory to the simple opening statement.

Boudy wrote:We're discussing a list that includes all OEM and most likely almost all of the aftermarket 18 lb wheels that are currently being run


This moron makes a pitiful attempt to refocus the discussion.

TX#11CMC wrote:Go to Discount Tire and type in 17x9x114.3... That is 45 different wheels... do we really want to make a list this huge?


Now Micheal doesn't read the original post either and assumes someone is trying to make an approved list of everything Discount Tire sells.

suck fumes wrote:You guys are making this a bigger pain in the butt when the rules haven't even been released yet. I doubt any banter on here is going to sway the directors one way or the other


So Aaron comes back in to inform all that a simple list of approved wheels is too complicated and that everyone is wasting time anyway.

DAlgozine wrote:Participate or don't ......its up to you. All I suggested is to compile a list of current CMC wheels that are in use... Not looking for every single legal wheel ever made, just what is being used... NOW


Another pointless effort to keep on topic.

Glenn wrote:So guys who race in CMC but don't come here will not get there wheels on the list?


And then some "out of left field" statement that doesn't even apply and took probably 8 assumptions to conclude.

This is exactly why nothing productive can be accomplished here. Which actually validates Aaron's last statement... Good call!

Boudy


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I gave it the old college try........ It seemed like a pretty good idea to make some decisions based on facts (meaning, who is currently using what) , instead of assumptions, or individual opinions.
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Postby TX#11CMC » Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:45 am

85306Fox wrote:I would really like to see the list of the wheels the Ford guys are using including the weights.

Like I stated in another thread I have yet to purchase wheels and have experienced difficulty finding the weights of wheels online.

MB Competition (not being made anymore)
5-spoke, 17x9, ~24mm offset, weigh about 20.5 lbs

MB Weapon
7-spoke, 17x9, ~14mm offset, weigh about 20 lbs each
These have a slightly larger lug nut area than the Competition so is easier taking on/off. I don't like the look as much but these are my primary wheels in being slightly lighter and a better offset.


And Boudy, the only benefit to the thread your post gave was to show that you are really good using the "quote" button. :wink:
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